按还是不按（4）

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 16:39:54

随着艾滋病和伊斯兰恐怖主义的同时蔓延和人类的素手无策，一个问题。如果有一个button, 按一下，就象伊斯兰恐怖分子的捆绑人肉炸弹一样，艾滋病和伊斯兰作为威胁人类文明进程的顽疾便消失了，你按不按？

13579 · 发表于 2010-11-11 20:24:18

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 21:36:52

Most people don't see 艾滋病 and 伊斯兰 as the same threat to society. One got to wonder the prevailing mentality of bashing Christianity without any reservation yet cowarding in front of Islam.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:08:34

mh1013: Most people don't see 艾滋病 and 伊斯兰 as the same threat to society. One got to wonder the prevailing mentality of bashing Christianity without any

文明面前是勇士和挑战者，邪恶目前是绵羊或卫道士， loser's syndrome。这样的mentality 无论是从小到险地琐事，大到政治和社会主张，均无处不见

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:24:58

扶醉踏歌: 文明面前是勇士和挑战者，邪恶目前是绵羊或卫道士， loser's syndrome。这样的mentality 无论是从小到险地琐事，大到政治和社会主张，均无处不见

Did you expect people would vote &quot;yes'? :-)

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:29:15

Even though the problems with the Islamic theology are the roots of today's terrorism, reform is still a more realistic and just solution than wiping out a religion?

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:30:00

mh1013: Did you expect people would vote &quot;yes'? :-)

did i expect obama to be anything else other than just a demagogue? check my posts before 08 election for those less informed

ask yourself a question, for those who voted, how many actually have followed what's been going on in this world, issues related to islam, what the people halfway across the world have responded in various incidents. do they have any clue what the situation the europe as well as the world is facing?

not enough to know, but old enough to VOTE. what else would you expect the outcome to be, other than having a damn fool residing in the white house?

马骝 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:31:23

这个捆绑投票已经不好玩了。

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:38:23

马骝: 这个捆绑投票已经不好玩了。

He is trying to say something, not for 玩.

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:41:31

扶醉踏歌: did i expect obama to be anything else other than just a demagogue? check my posts before 08 election for those less informed

ask yourself a

I admit you saw through Obama before I did. :-)

But wiping out a religion is a very big deal. Do you not think there are good Muslims?

马骝 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:43:19

mh1013: He is trying to say something, not for 玩.

嗯，我还真看不出这和“玩”有啥区别。

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:45:27

mh1013: Even though the problems with the Islamic theology are the roots of today's terrorism, reform is still a more realistic and just solution than wiping

信仰的存在前提是有人信仰，另一方面，信仰不是天上掉下来的，是基于共同mentality下的汇流。这样的mentality下没有了伊斯兰也会同样去信仰另一个伊斯驴，也可以不叫古兰经改叫古老肉，

名字可以不同，嗜杀嗜虐的解读不会改变，这是由他们mentality决定的。俗语道，狗改不了吃屎。巴西政府给亚马逊一吃人原始部落提供教育和如刀叉之类文明器物，几年后再去发现他们改用刀叉吃人肉了。

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:50:53

马骝: 这个捆绑投票已经不好玩了。

I guess we have to define 玩, first. :-)

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:51:03

马骝: 这个捆绑投票已经不好玩了。

看你们高头大马红红绿绿的强强才强强才的鱼龙穿梭粉末登场很好玩

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:53:02

mh1013: I admit you saw through Obama before I did. :-)

But wiping out a religion is a very big deal. Do you not think there are good Muslims?

you never heard of &quot; a good muslim is a dead muslim?&quot;

没有作人肉蛋martyr都不算好muslim，他们自己也这么认为。

都知道日本有靖国神社，少有知道伊朗也有“靖国神社”，德黑兰国家公墓里祭奠着黑压压一片人肉蛋martyr。每年固定的祭奠日子供奉的人把食物带去和死去的人肉蛋共享。很是盛况。那一片山清水秀的很是漂亮。

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 22:53:02

扶醉踏歌: 信仰的存在前提是有人信仰，另一方面，信仰不是天上掉下来的，是基于共同mentality下的汇流。这样的mentality下没有了伊斯兰也会同样去信仰另一个伊斯驴，名字可以不同

That is not entirely untrue. Then what is the point for making Islam disappear?

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 23:00:10

mh1013: That is not entirely untrue. Then what is the point for making Islam disappear?

你是说怎么着留一个屎盆子比让苍蝇们从新寻觅强？

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 23:04:48

扶醉踏歌: 你是说怎么着留一个屎盆子比让苍蝇们从新寻觅强？

Seriously, you don't believe genocide is justified, do you? No matter how wrong those people are. Again, even God would not do that.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 23:09:29

mh1013: Seriously, you don't believe genocide is justified, do you? No matter how wrong those people are. Again, even God would not do that.

no that i don't believe, but i'd to point out that 人类自身有神也无法逾越的鸿沟。另一方面，以不同文化集聚的不同群体的人类各方面的差异是如此之巨，且不可调和。。。。。或许神留之存在有其因。万物有诞生便有死亡，神或许留下这一坎是埋下的伏笔，以便万物善始善终。

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-11 23:12:40

扶醉踏歌: no that i don't believe, but i'd to point out that 人类自身有神也无法逾越的鸿沟。另一方面，以不同文化集聚的不同群体的人类各方面的差异是如此之巨，且不可调

I am glad. I'd be horrified. :-)

I agree. Good night.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-11 23:35:23

mh1013: Seriously, you don't believe genocide is justified, do you? No matter how wrong those people are. Again, even God would not do that.

替神代言么？怎么不会？God让许多头胎子夭折不过是要作为神迹证明他的存在嘛。

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-12 21:13:32

扶醉踏歌: 替神代言么？怎么不会？God让许多头胎子夭折不过是要作为神迹证明他的存在嘛。

Here -

Jeremiah 5:1

“Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
look around and consider,
search through her squares.
If you can find but one person
who deals honestly and seeks the truth,
I will forgive this city.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-12 22:38:38

mh1013: Here -

Jeremiah 5:1

“Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
look around and consider,
search through her squares.
If you can find but

俺粗人的理解是：即使这锅里全是老鼠屎，只要有一粒黑芝麻，神也宽恕这一锅粥？

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-12 22:52:13

扶醉踏歌: 俺粗人的理解是：即使这锅里全是老鼠屎，只要有一粒黑芝麻，神也宽恕这一锅粥？

Yes.

&quot;Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?

&quot;Far be it for you to do such a thing, to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do what's right,&quot; Abraham would say boldly to the Lord.

And the Lord would respond: &quot;If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.&quot;

God is just and also merciful. :-)

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-12 23:19:00

mh1013: Yes.

&quot;Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away a

神有这样的宽宏，因为他是神。俺们都是泥巴捏就的吃土的众生，不必也不能以神的视界要求自己。否则便是看不清自身，拿自己当神了。俺们的快乐建立在世俗的七情六欲上。神有他的安排，俺们也可以有俺们的期望。俺们可以期望但做不到的，留给神。神不能期望，但做的到的，留给了俺们，成为俺们每日凡尘的快乐。这个世界全交予神不中，全交给俺们也乱套。底线：俺们不是神

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-12 23:26:21

扶醉踏歌: 神有这样的宽宏，因为他是神。俺们都是泥巴捏就的吃土的众生，不必也不能以神的视界要求自己。否则便是看不清自身，拿自己当神了。俺们的快乐建立在世俗的七情六欲

Of course we are not God. How could we? All I wanted to say was that even God wouldn't do it. So us human beings really should not expect a perfect &quot;solution&quot; for any of the problems facing us.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-12 23:28:54

mh1013: Of course we are not God. How could we? All I wanted to say was that even God wouldn't do it. So us human beings really should not expect a perfect

“even&quot; God不做的，俺们这些泥巴人也可以“想”（&quot;expect&quot;)嘛，那是凡尘的快乐， “even&quot; God也不会剥夺

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-12 23:59:46

扶醉踏歌: “even&quot; God不做的，俺们这些泥巴人也可以“想”（&quot;expect&quot;)嘛，那是凡尘的快乐， “even&quot; God也不会剥夺

Of course God won't take it away from us because He gave us free will. But shouldn't we base our actions on certain standards?

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:03:13

mh1013: Of course God won't take it away from us because He gave us free will. But shouldn't we base our actions on certain standards?

one of them is, we are NOT God.

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:07:06

扶醉踏歌: one of them is, we are NOT God.

We are not but we can't say lets just do whatever we want since we are not God. :-)

Are we talking about the same things? I am not against pleasures in life at all.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:11:45

mh1013: We are not but we can't say lets just do whatever we want since we are not God. :-)

Are we talking about the same things? I am not against pleasure

how about &quot;let's just wish whatever we want&quot;?

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:16:57

扶醉踏歌: how about &quot;let's just wish whatever we want&quot;?

You can wish Islam as a religion never existed or just disappear. What good does that do since you know it is a mere fantasy? :-)

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:21:35

mh1013: You can wish Islam as a religion never existed or just disappear. What good does that do since you know it is a mere fantasy? :-)

your saying fantasies serve no good in life?

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:35:41

扶醉踏歌: your saying fantasies serve no good in life?

That is not what I am saying. Islam and terrorism are serious issues and shouldn't be treated lightly.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 00:41:17

mh1013: That is not what I am saying. Islam and terrorism are serious issues and shouldn't be treated lightly.

so are fantasies

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 12:33:08

Talking about fantasies, I finilly finished reading The Lord of The Rings. In the author's fantasy world, good and evil were so black and white. It was breathtaking to read about the quest to conquer evil. And our inability to resist the temptation of power.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 17:25:56

mh1013: Talking about fantasies, I finilly finished reading The Lord of The Rings. In the author's fantasy world, good and evil were so black and white. It

so fantasies do serve good in real life?

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 17:40:19

扶醉踏歌: so fantasies do serve good in real life?

Yes, they do but I have to say not by the way your 投票 questions

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 17:54:00

mh1013: Yes, they do but I have to say not by the way your 投票 questions

consistency, consistency, consistency

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 17:56:57

扶醉踏歌: consistency, consistency, consistency

Oh, come on, am I inconsistent?

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:02:18

mh1013: Oh, come on, am I inconsistent?

i can't deny the consistency when it serves your point well

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:04:22

扶醉踏歌: i can't deny the consistency when it serves your point well

Ha, sometimes I lose the sight of my point while arguing.

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:05:35

mh1013: Ha, sometime I lose the sight of my point while arguing.

i know i know

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:06:46

扶醉踏歌: i know i know

Gee, do you have to agree? :-)

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:09:48

mh1013: Gee, do you have to agree? :-)

can't be wrong being nice, can it? not this one?

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:13:00

扶醉踏歌: can't be wrong being nice, can it? not this one?

Don't have to be nice for the sake of being nice. :-)

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:14:28

mh1013: Don't have to be nice for the sake of being nice. :-)

good point...although it's not relevant here.

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:20:16

扶醉踏歌: good point...although it's not relevant here.

Right, not relevant here. But kindness is a virtue, isn't it?

扶醉踏歌 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:23:59

mh1013: Right, not relevant here. But kindness is a virtue, isn't it?

secondary to me. if there were not being true, what's the point of being kind?

mh1013 · 发表于 2010-11-13 18:28:04

扶醉踏歌: secondary to me. if there were not being true, what's the point of being kind?

How about this?

&quot;Today I bent the truth to be kind, and I have no regret, for I am far surer of what is kind than I am of what is true. &quot;

I don't completely agree with it but there is some truth in it.

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